Tell Us: Do You Support Gay Marriage?

Eric S May 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm

The issue isn't defending a point of view with Biblical beliefs, it's expecting everyone else to believe the same thing or force others to live within those beliefs. Sounds kinda Taliban-ish to me.

Rev. Tom Cormier May 15, 2012 at 10:43 pm

as St. Oran said "the way you think it is may not be the way it really is at all"

Rev. Tom Cormier May 15, 2012 at 10:49 pm

the accepted figure is about 10% of the population. Nobody becomes gay later in adulthood they just stop trying to be straight. Adam and Eve are part of the Jewish and later Judeao Christian creation myth but not the only people mentioned because after caine was banished he went into the land of Nod and found a wife.

WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr. May 16, 2012 at 11:00 am

"Virginia GOP-controlled legislature blocked the nomination of a judge to the district court because he is gay"...So this anti-same sex marriage debate is not confined to this issue but also to a despicable bigotry against this group of citizens...Talk about small government.

Patriot2 May 16, 2012 at 11:45 am

Are you sure he was blocked because he was gay or because of a far-left agenda? There is a big distinction as some gays are conservative in their views on issues important to the bench and likely acceptable to the GOP and others are not. Why is it that whenever a gay or woman or minority race person doesn't get a job or gets fired, everyone wants to assume it to be bigotry? There are a whole host of reasons that people are hired or fired.

WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr. May 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm

Patriot2
I regret to say that I don't know how to print a link for all to read, but if you can go to the Huffington Post, you'll read there that his being gay and has gay agenda got him in trouble...The lawmaker has labeled this lifestyle a disordered behavior...To me that's a blatant bigotry!

WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr. May 17, 2012 at 07:09 pm

Addendum: The Republican lawmaker who led the effort to reject a gay judge for the district court (same guy who said homosexuality is a disordered behavior) now says that sodomy is not a civil right...That's not what we are arguing about...What's sodomy got to do with judicial ruling?..This gentleman must think judges are as dumb as he is...Calling people with lifestyles different from yourself second class citizens is bigotry...Bigots do not belong in a civilized society.

Ms.G May 26, 2012 at 12:13 am

This comment is actually for the person below who would like to have an example of another "Animal" who mates with the same sex... these are a few of the mammals (there are many other types of animals): Bison, Brown Bear, Brown Rat Caribou, Cat, Cattle, Cheetah, Chimpanzee,
Common Dolphin, Common Marmoset, Dog, Elephant, Fox, Giraffe, Goat, Horse, Human, Koala, Lion, Orca, Raccoon... Most people "mate" more often than they have children. To the "Christian" who is preaching his unedited rhetoric several messages above: The bible is open to interpretation. It can be interpreted by an educated person who can reason that if God is perfect and man is his creation, then homosexuality can't be a mistake. Homosexuality has been part of societies longer than homophobia. The bible can be interpreted by ignorant people as well... THERE is the form that goes with "where" as in "over there" THEIR is the one that means ownership. You meant to say: "their way of life is NORMAL" ADAPTED is progress... adapting to the environment. You meant to say that two men need to ADOPT a baby, not adapt one. If your God has no love for people who simply try to live their lives and love one another... imagine what he must feel about someone who slanders him and portrays him as speaking in a moronic manner. Argue intelligently-and without profanity-or keep it to yourself. The "Golden Rule": If you don't have something nice to say, keep it to yourself, Mr. Werner.

Marcella June 2, 2012 at 04:17 pm

I support gay marriage.
I'm a Christian, because I always say: If God is against gay people, He wouldn't have made them. What will happen when gay marriage gets legal? Zombies attack. 0% Everyone will die. 0% Gay people will destroy the world. 0% The world will explode. 0% Gay people will marry. 100%

Eric S June 2, 2012 at 07:52 pm

And it promotes the concept of equality. In the end that is the crux of the matter. It's nothing more than people demanding the same equality as everyone else. Your point is, in my view, quite correct. Gay marriage isn't going to cause any harm except to those who have no true concept of either freedom or equality. Nowhere in our Constitution does religion come into play as a guiding force. In fact exactly the opposite. We have freedom of religion which also creates a freedom FROM religion. One of our basic tenets is seperation of church and state. Those opposed to gay marriage...and seeking to outlaw it....based on religious beliefs are not being adherent to the concept of religious freedom nor the disinclusion of religion in creating laws.

frank moyer June 28, 2012 at 03:48 pm

WILLIAM IS TOTALLY RIGHT, I COULD SAY IT ANY BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maddie August 10, 2012 at 03:04 pm

Dear Eric S,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" was a comment Jesus was making to the people who wanted to MURDER a woman for a sin. Please don't take Jesus' words out of context. He also told the same woman to go and sin no more. Last I looked, sodomy and homosexuality is against God's laws...and marriage is between one man and one woman. What God has joined together, let NO man put assunder. What you sodomites are trying to do horrible. MARRIAGE is an ancient Hebrew term, the first language known to mankind. I am 100% against it!

Daughter of the Most High August 10, 2012 at 03:13 pm

Rev. Tom Cormier, a Rev. from Hell perhaps.

Josh Popichak (Editor) August 10, 2012 at 03:14 pm

@Maddie - Doesn't the Bible also tell us to "judge not, lest you be judged." ? Or does that rule not apply when it comes to homosexuality...? It sounds to me like you are doing some pretty serious judging, e.g. "sodomites." Why don't you leave that up to God, if that's who you believe in.

Daughter of the Most High August 10, 2012 at 03:16 pm

Because marriage is a Godly term used by both the Israelites and the Christians. Let them use a DIFFERENT TERM and let them keep their sex life private. What they are doing is ANYTHING but marriage in God's eyes! Shame on YOU, Mr. Popichak!

Josh Popichak (Editor) August 10, 2012 at 03:19 pm

@Daughter of the Most High - There you again. Judging. You have no right to judge others regarding this issue. Period. I have nothing to be ashamed of.

Frank August 10, 2012 at 03:24 pm

Daughter of the Most High ... on drugs?

Daughter of the Most High August 10, 2012 at 03:39 pm

Very true, John, and Jesus said this:
Matthew 19:4 - 6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Because that's the way The Creator made us. We fit like two pieces of a puzzle. Last I checked, the anus was made for the removal of WASTE and toxins from our bodies, not sex. :)

Daughter of the Most High August 10, 2012 at 03:51 pm

Truth! And to Josh, the consequences he is referring to, are those that God does....if you have read the story of Sodom, then you know what happened to that city because of their immorality. I fear God, you obviously do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwTVFk1HK3Y

Rev. Tom Cormier August 11, 2012 at 09:51 am

thought this thread was done months ago!! Maddie and "daughter of the most high" arrogant as you are ignorant. Hebrew the first language!!! Really?? Get your nose out of the bible and learn some world history! Marriage is not a Godly term it is a people term. Adam and Eve were not married, Most of the patriarchs had multiple wives and the Kings also had concubines and slaves at their beck and call. It is difficult to actually find examples of one man one woman marriage in the bible compared to all the other forms. Not Rev. of (or from whatever you said) hell but in hell with idoits like you claiming to be Christian and knowing the mind of God. By the why it is not there sin it is their sin!!! Fact the bible says nothing about same sex love!! oops there was Saul and Jonathan, Ruth and Ester their oft quoted love statement at weddings a statement between two women. Then Jesus never said anything one way or the other about same sex love but there is the story of the Centurian who asked for his "pias" to be healed, translated in the modern bible as servant translated elsewhere in literature as lover. Jesus healed him commenting only on the Centurians faith. Homosexuality is not a choice but using your misunderstanding of Christ's teachings as a vehicle for hate and discrimination is.

Allan Bach August 11, 2012 at 12:47 pm

"idiots like you" may not be the best phrase to respond to another's views. Do you use the same words with your followers? You advise the people to "get your nose out of the Bible" and then proceed to use Biblical references to correct them. I find this odd.
The Greek word is "pais" (I'll give you the mis-keying error) and I've not been able to find it used in reference to a lover anywhere. I'm curious - where did you receive your ordination?

Rev. Tom Cormier August 11, 2012 at 01:58 pm

Allan I will admit to a low tolerance of intolerant people. "bible references" you have to talk to people in their own language, using references to some other sacred text would have been pointless. Before someone else corrects me it may have been David and Jonathan instead of Saul (always mix them up) it's been awhile since I have delved the pages of the OT so it could be Ruth and someone else as well yet it is still two males and two females expressing undying love for each other in the OT.
I first heard of this definition many years ago and recently saw an article on the Huffington Post. Here are three links to articles I found on google: http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html http://www.gaychristian101.com/Centurion-And-Pais.html http://www.christiang0y.com/Jesus_and_the_Centurion.html I am an Interfaith Minister Ordained by the School of Sacred Ministries and a priest and bishop of the French Gnostic Church not that your opinion of my vredentials really matters to me. Since this thread fired up again one might think in connection with the Chick-fil-A controversy let's be clear that the protests were not about Cathy's freedom of speech but about the money he gives to organizations that literally harm the GLBT community. you can do your own google search on that one.

Allan Bach August 11, 2012 at 02:42 pm

Thanks for the reply. I now know you're a Gnostic and where you received your credentials. I think it does matter where any person of title receives such title. As to the links, I know anyone can use the Internet for confirmation of a belief. I prefer to use trusted scholarship.
Maybe some day we will cross paths and have a dialogue in person. Till then, I pray for tolerance of others.

Eric S August 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm

It sure would have been helpful if you replied to the exact post to which you are referring. But no matter, I'll see if we can't hold your hand while we cross the street.
Followers? What followers? Am I being followed? Damn, now I'm getting paranoid. But if I did/do have followers yeah, I'd call them an idiot if that was the term I label them with. Apparently I don't really give a damn if they like it or not. I don't suppose you have much of a grip on irony. People are spewing Biblical quotes to make their point yet ignoring Biblical quotes that counter their point. Ok, maybe not ironic. But hipocritical sure does ring a bell. Can you give me a little direction about this "Pais" thing? I don't recall at all what your referring to. Maybe a post from several months ago? I don't know, maybe even a quote mistakenly believed to be mine? Anyway, can you point that out, then I'll address it. I'm either too lazy, stupid or unconcerned to find it myself. But it appears your not. No ordination. Why, does one need to be ordained to discuss religion, have an opinion on religion or be /not be religious? I do remember a post of mine referring to the Taliban. Your giving me flashbacks.

Allan Bach August 12, 2012 at 11:31 am

Eric, your anger is not needed toward me. Read Tom's post, pais (spelled pias by him) is used in his post (directly above mine) to which I was replying. Tom was cordial in his answer to my questions. Ordination is required to use the title Reverend. Usually Bishops have followers.Whatever happened to make you so antagonistic toward the Bible and Christians is something I cannot help you with.

Eric S August 12, 2012 at 03:02 pm

Yes. I see how I your August 11, 8:47 as towards me. The email starts Eric S. My mistake and apology.
But my post wasn't in anger, and can in essence be seen as supportive of Tom. Particularly the statement referring to Biblical quotes.

Eric S August 12, 2012 at 03:06 pm

I gotta get more sleep. or drink less, or take better drugs. I can see how I MISTOOK your post........
Again, sorry for the mistaken response, and now the confusing series of posts. I'll shut up now. One final thought. I am supportive of the right of gay people to marry. There, done. Carry on folks.

Rev. Tom Cormier August 12, 2012 at 04:38 pm

My spirituality is informed by having read much of the worlds sacred scripture and also having some concept of the societies in and for which it was written, it is why I became an Interfaith Minister. From your response I am not sure if you looked at the links. I believe at least one referenced the scholars that wrote it. The internet can also provide truth that we don't want to believe. Only the most liberal Christian churches would publish an article on this topic, most would suppress it as "confusing to the faithful". Truth is where you find it and has no regard for belief.
A point of clarification: the "get your nose out of the Bible and learn some world history" comment was directed at the person that stated that hebrew was the worlds first language. In the big picture Jesus and the centurion is about Faith, the faith of an outsider, feared and possibly hated by the Jewish community. Because of this outsiders Faith in Jesus the other person was healed. The other picture for the GLBT community is that Jesus would have understood the relationship and healed without commenting on or condemning the relationship which does not mean support but could mean it was a non issue for him.

Emma August 18, 2012 at 08:57 am

BOTTOM LINE: There are many viewpoints on the various aspects of homosexuality in all its dimensions. It's impossible to have more than ONE TRUTH. The ONE TRUTH that stands against every opposing emotion, personal or mass opinion, belief, religion and gut wrenching stance - for or against its respective issues. This ONE TRUTH will be given to each one of us, individually, one second after we take our last breath and enter into eternity. Eternity is a long, long, long time. Try to comprehend the length of eternity. Make sure you find out what that ONE TRUTH is! Be 100% sure your own truth does not enter the equation in finding it. Losing your eternal soul is not worth the risk under any circumstance, person, place or thing! When you find it, you will know it beyond the shadow of a doubt. You will have an overwhelming sense of peace and joy. No longer tortured with doubt, fear and the question: "what if..."

Maddie August 22, 2012 at 08:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D81T4fe8qME&feature=autoplay&list=PL41DADE17F72830BC&playnext=2