Survey: Pa. Dems More Unified on Outcome of Monday's Debate

A Patch flash survey of political activists in Pennsylvania shows differing takes on the impact of the final presidential debate

Pennsylvania Democrats sound a bit more confident than Republicans that Monday night's foreign policy debate will help win votes for their candidate in the Keystone State, according to brief overnight surveys by Patch.

When asked if their candidate's debate performance will help him in Pennsylvania:

  • 19 of 22 Democrats who responded said yes, while three were neutral
  • 17 of 23 Republicans agreed that it will, while one disagreed, three were neutral and two had no opinion

When asked who won:

  • 15 Republicans said Gov. Mitt Romney won, while one said Obama, five were neutral and two had no opinion
  • 21 Democrats said Obama won while one was neutral

When asked who would be the consensus winner, as declared by national media:

  • 13 Republicans said Obama while two said Romney, six were neutral and two had no opinion
  • All 22 Democrats said Obama

The catchy phrases that stuck with debate watchers varied:

  • Republicans said Romney's reference to Obama's "apology tour" was a memorable moment for conservatives.
  • Democrats singled out Obama's "horses and bayonets" remark in responding to Romney on the strength of the modern U.S. military.

In their survey comments, Pennsylvania Republicans repeatedly noted what they called Romney's presidential bearing:

  • "President Obama acted like he needed a big victory tonight. Romney behaved like a President."
  • "During the debates both Obama and Biden have come across as angry and arrogant."
  • "Overall good debate.  Mitt looked as if he was the president whereas Obama looked angry and rather unprofessional at times."
  • "Romney continued to look more presidential. His demeanor was superior to the President's."
  • "I think the debates helped Governor Romney this year in much the same way they helped Reagan in 1980 and Kennedy in 1960."
  • "People will think of Romney as presidential where Obama came across as petty."

Democrats, in their comments, criticized Romney for being inconsistent and praised Obama's performance:

  • "Romney is all over the place and spineless; he just says anything"
  • "I have never seen a candidate be as dishonest and inconsistent as Mitt Romney."
  • "I think President Obama made the case tonight. I think there will be some that know our economy is tied to world events, and that the President, despite setbacks, has had a steady hand, and hasn't pushed us off into anything, and that will be important to continue our recovery in global uncertainty the next four years."
  • "If 60% of undecided voters are women, I think they would be more attracted to Obama's foreign policy (less bellicose) and emphasis on need to concentrate on education and infrastructure at home."

One Democrat was "pleased at the bi-partisan tone of Mr. Romney on those immediate foreign policy "problems' such as Syria, Egypt. Some on the right may see it as weakness on his part but I see it as adult behavior and statesmanship."

Patch's survey takers are local elected officials, candidates and activists who volunteered to take part in this non-scientific project.

Check out what surveys said following the second presidential debate.

Moe November 01, 2012 at 02:13 PM
Wow. Just wow. Calling Romney a liar? Do you actually pay attention to anything that Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Holder say? Obamacare with all of its hidden taxes. Fast and Furious Benghazi and that evil video The great bailout of GM (Soon to be China Motors. Just listen to Obama's hand picked chairman of GM speaking in China) The "Stimulus" Green Energy (All those tax dollars wasted on failed companies run by Obama cronies) http://liberallogic101.com/
Karen November 01, 2012 at 02:28 PM
There are a lot of good points here. This election is close. I would like to know how anybody could vote for a president who has such chaos in his organization that four Americans begged for help to save their lives and no help came. Now that we shine a light on it, it is hard to believe that the President himself was unaware of the danger and need for support. If he didn't know it's because he has not been attending the security briefings, he has been campaigning instead. I can see there are two sides to the other arguments pro/con each candidate, but in this one case there is just no answer that satisfies me. For the sake of those four Americans and in honor of their memory, I will not cast a vote for this president - I will cast a vote against him and hope we have a new President in January. Obama has the blood of those four Americans on his hands. He says someone will be hold accountable (after the election). I hope we beat him to it.
don dunkin November 01, 2012 at 02:29 PM
Women Unemployment is 10.9%
Lizz November 01, 2012 at 02:29 PM
All politicians are liars, not just republicans, not just democrats...they all just want your vote and will say anything to get it.
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 02:35 PM
OMG Democrats put us into the "crap" along with the Repubs. Stop with the blame game lie! It's factually incorrect. Obama and Casey voted for all of this spending just like Biden and obviously a majority of Senators and House members....that is how a bill becomes a law.
Moe November 01, 2012 at 02:45 PM
At least Quayle knows there are 50 states. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/31/zeqa8esy.jpg
Ike November 01, 2012 at 02:59 PM
Yea , Dick is a funny man ,, Thats what is screwed up with him , he allways high like nutso Maher ... Hey Dick...... ..Head , your a head , pot head ,,, its not legal here in Scodaville..
Bruce Bailey November 01, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Karen, just asking - did you hold George Bush to this same standard in 2004?
New World Orphan November 01, 2012 at 03:50 PM
OBAMA = Tool Romney = Idiot RON PAUL 2012
. November 01, 2012 at 05:04 PM
Jack Minster is a sales guy for some two bit company called "Document Solutions Group" His boss is Anthony Varano; Document Solutions Group 136 Green Tree Road # 130 Phoenixville, PA 19460-1166 map Phone: (610) 676-0386 I plan on giving him a call so he knows what his dead beat sales guy does all day on his dime. I suggest others do the same.
Anthony Wayne November 01, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Exactly. Is it your contention romney will return to the constitution for guidance before starting another war? Will he seek congressional approval? Will he not sign executive orders and go to NATO? He said in the debates he would "call his lawyer". Is that your idea of a return to the constitution? He has obviously not read it. Both parties are the problem, not the solution.
CyD252 November 01, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Out of all those who honestly believe that the government should not spend more than it brings in, how many of you have outstanding debt in the form of home mortgages, car payments, credit card debt, school debt, medical debt, or other loans?
Abraham November 01, 2012 at 06:04 PM
Bruce, of course she doesn't. The security briefing for President Bush on Aug 6, 2001 was only titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US"
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 06:06 PM
Having debt isn't the same as spending more than you take in. Debt is not a bad thing if you pay it back or own something at the end like the car or house or even college degree. The national debt has increased by $7 trillion under Obama. Nothing is being paid back. It's an interest only scam like all of those mortgages that went belly up. The majority of the spending isn't even on things that we would own (do Obama phones count?) such as food stamps. Think about this. The government borrows money from China to give out food stamps. A budget deficit means more was spent than received. A budget deficit or surplus would then either add to or subtract from the debt. in 2001 spending was $1.9 Trillion and today it is $3.8 trillion. As long as what you take in pays for the debt, it works. This is not what the federal government does. They borrow money to pay the interest on the borrowed money. Borrowing money to pay for day to day expenses is the textbook definition of being insolvent. If you are doing this, you will not survive for very long.
OMG November 01, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Lol really? When Clinton was in office how was your living? When Bush got voted in, how was your living? That's what I thought and you as well as the others who want to sit and act like you was living the "good" life 4 years ago take your head out your ass.
OMG November 01, 2012 at 06:14 PM
Marybeth evidentally you are definitely a Mitt supporter and you lie just like him, lol. Are you any relation? I actually would like to see all of you crmble and look stupid if this man get into office. He is going to make you all look like the fools you are, then you will realize how stupid you have become. Oh, none of these problems existed beofre Obama got into office, go figure. Jeb even has the nerve to say Obama blaming his brother. It is what it is and yeah he's gonna create jobs OVERSEA'S so you will all have jobs there, not here in America.
CyD252 November 01, 2012 at 06:16 PM
So as long as you pay back the debt in your lifetime, then it's acceptable? Then you should consider the fact that countries are not bound by human lifespans.
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 06:26 PM
OMG, as I have posted. I voted for Obama in 2008. Now I am voting for Romney. I am not sure I could look any more stupid than I do now for voting for Obama last time. Nothing could be that stupid. Fool me once..... I never said the problems didn't exist before he got to be President. I have repeatedly said, he was a big part of creating the spending problems along with Bob Casey, Joe Biden and all the others who voted for reckless spending and debt that we have no ability to pay back. Should we just keep doing it this way? You know the failed economic policies of Obama these past 4 years? Stop with the emotional, immature comments. Go read some budgets and voting records.
Robert November 01, 2012 at 06:39 PM
@Marybeth: I find your numbers interesting, and misleading. you said "in 2001 spending was $1.9 Trillion and today it is $3.8 trillion. " I did some digging and found this " In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion." Thats from the wall street journal. (http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor) Why are you lying? you also said "The majority of the spending isn't even on things that we would own (do Obama phones count?) such as food stamps." The money we borrowed from China paid for the increased military spending due to the 2 wars we are/were in. The Obama phones is the biggest lie of all. The phones you are talking about is from the "Telecommunications Act of 1996", which is not funded from taxpayer money, its funded by the telecommunication companies. They just turn around and add an extra fee to your bill for it. You are just like your candidate, just making up stuff to get elected.
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 06:40 PM
I am not alone!! The latest Politico battleground poll, released earlier this week, shows Romney with a massive 19-point lead over Obama among suburban voters. Surprisingly, it's actually one point higher than his lead among rural voters. Obama leads among urban voters by 29 points. In 2008, Obama won the suburban vote by 2 points. The 21-point swing away from him makes his reelection very difficult. Obama's approval rating among suburban voters is deeply underwater. Just 42% approve of the job he is doing, against 57% who disapprove. A staggering 52% disapprove strongly. Romney has a net 23 approval rating among suburban voters, 59% approving with 36% disapproving. Over the past 30 years, no one has won the presidency without winning the suburban vote.
Robert November 01, 2012 at 06:44 PM
Internet Troll = Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.(http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/weirdwebculture/f/what-is-an-internet-troll.htm)
Haywood Joublowme November 01, 2012 at 06:46 PM
Dear Richard (Dick) Head go see 2016
CyD252 November 01, 2012 at 06:49 PM
I'm having trouble finding such a poll on Politico.com. There's a very high lead, as you describe, among RURAL voters, but I see no evidence of what you're suggesting in suburban regions.
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Robert - I showed that Federal spending nearly doubled from 2001 to 2012. Prove me wrong if you think I am. I showed that Obama, Casey, Biden et al all voted for Bush's Budget in 2008. They are responsible for their votes and Bush is responsible for signing it. I know it is convenient to only blame Bush but unless you can point me to where in the constitution the President has such powers. In 2010, Obama praised the very same spending budget that his party passed. One year you say its bad and than magically the next the same spending is worthy of praise. And I am the liar? LOL! Defense 2008 - $636B 2012 - $709B Medicare 2008- $386B 2012- $478B Welfare 2008- $324B 2012- $635B Here is OBAMA'S 2013 budget summary. Spending = $3.8 Trillion Revenues = $2.9 Trillion DEFICIT = $900 B Shall we Blame Bush for this $900 Billion budget miss? http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf Don't forget Obama said the debt was irresponsible......guess he is irresponsible too!!
Jack Minster November 01, 2012 at 07:02 PM
I can only chalk it up to "Bad Boyfriend Syndrome". It is so "no matter what". My friend's eldest daughter had this once. No matter what the guy says or does it's still the old "but I love him" statement followed by the "he is really great. you just don't see the side of him that I see". Actions speak loudest and his actions have gotten us nowhere. The more actual facts we Romney supporters post, the more Obama supporters nitpic on a the difference between 16 trillion in debt versus 16.27 trillion, etc. I'm thinking... and I could be wrong... that there are no more undecided voters visiting these threads. Just not seeing anyone asking legit questions.
Marybeth November 01, 2012 at 07:05 PM
Roger M November 01, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Jack Minster is wrong, but so are you... everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's a load of hooey (as Jack's obviously is)... your post smacks of the slimy tactics we're seeing being used by Republicans, such as the "Dreams of My Father" DVD and advertising that's intended to confuse and/or scare people into not voting... suppression of others' ideas is NOT the way to win an argument or an election... i'm going to flag this post as inappropriate...
Colter95 November 03, 2012 at 03:26 PM
Do you think Obama is a good guy and a straight shooter? Read on, please: 
Obama has been an economic disaster the last four years, and this Benghazi disgrace is completely unacceptable... This country does not reward failure and dishonesty out of the White House... http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/ http://obamalies.net/list-of-obamas-failures http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/ http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion/patti-schmidt-list-of-obama-s-failures-is-long/article_7a139146-fec2-11e1-8e81-0019bb2963f4.html http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/08/obamas-foreign-policy-failures-catalogued.php http://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-security-council/the-top-10-obama-flip-flops-by-ari-fleischer/171275079638338 http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100083104/the-u-turn-president-barack-obama-top-ten-flip-flops/ You see, it's easy to run on a slogan, like Obama did in 2008... Hope and change, baby... It's much harder to do once you have a record that can be reviewed... He also said in 2008 that if he didn't get the job done in four years, that it would be a one term deal... Well, he hasn't delivered, so time to let him keep his word... Romney/Ryan 2012
Maynard G Krebs November 03, 2012 at 03:54 PM
You have facts about Romney?? How? The man never gives a straight answer. He has more positions than the Kama Sutra. All you have is a bunch of empty promises, just like Obama and the rest of them.
Jack Minster November 03, 2012 at 04:35 PM
mittromney.com provides extensive details on all of Mitt's proposals, Mr. Krebs. Of course your reading through them would be like Superman sprinkling kryptonite on his corn flakes. Colter95 continues to paste links to, and conveniently summarize, actual facts and substance. While you continue to spin and lie. You, Mr. Krebs, are the Obama electorate. Keep posting.


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