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Pa. Voter ID Sent Back to Lower Court

A judge now has until Oct. 2 to issue a new opinion on Pennsylvania's Voter ID challenge following a state Supreme Court ruling Tuesday.

Pennsylvania's Supreme Court today sent a challenge to the state's new Voter ID law back to a lower court with instructions for that judge to reconsider issuing an injunction.

It's not yet clear how the court decision will affect or possibly block implementation of the law for the Nov. 6 general election, according to a Philly.com report.

The decision gave Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson -- a former Northampton County judge and a Nazareth resident -- until Oct. 2 to file a new opinion on the case. Simpson upheld the law last month.

The Supreme Court instructed Simpson "to consider whether the procedures being used for deployment" of ID cards comports with the law as written -- which, in testimony before the Supreme Court, appeared not to be the case, according to a Huffington Post report.

If those procedures are not being followed, or if the judge was "not still convinced...that there will be no voter disenfranchisement arising out of the Commonwealth’s implementation of a voter identification requirement for purposes of the upcoming election" then he would be "obliged to enter a preliminary injunction," the higher court wrote.

Two Democratic justices dissented, saying the high court should have issued an injunction itself. The four judges who supported the ruling include three Republicans and one Democrat.

Free photo IDs for voting are available at PennDOT driver's license centers.

The court challenge to the new Voter ID law has been described as a case of contradictions.

Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 07:52 PM
Just to illustrate and educate, the Supreme Court Justices' judicial photo id would allow them to get that check, cash it, go on a plane, buy cold medicine and all the myriad of examples that have been brought up, EXCEPT, it wouldn't be good for voting. People have IDs, just not all have IDs good for voting. The more you know...
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Read the PA constitution, it is one of the requirements
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 07:56 PM
Can only use your social security card to vote absentee.
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 07:57 PM
The birth date of the voter is in the signature voter roll. The poll worker was inept and ID will not fix that.
Arthur September 24, 2012 at 07:58 PM
Usually It is not laziness. More like not being responsible as far as citizenship is concerned. The information is out there. You have it, I have, and so most people everyone reading these posts. A responsible citizen does not need to be led by the hand to do what they should do.
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 08:00 PM
Nope, only 71 of the states 390 PennDOT centers do Photo ID and licenses, 9 counties are without 1. Many are only open 1 day a week, the staff is not well trained. No wonder only 5000 ids have been issued
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 08:01 PM
You probably get your ID before 2001. Lot harder now.
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 08:03 PM
If you have questions about voter ID or need help getting it email me at VoterIDhelp@gmail.com If you think PA should postpone the Voter ID law, sign and share my petition. http://signon.org/sign/postpone-pa-voter-id
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 08:06 PM
You should also read my posts and blog on the Ardmore Patch for the real info on voter ID. Glad to see a few others who have done their homework.
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 08:47 PM
Well, since there weren't Photo ID's when a lot of the seniors were 18, how would your describe them? or does it describe you?
Mike Shortall Sr September 24, 2012 at 09:15 PM
It's a combination of both, I think. Since the bill was passed in March, less than 10,000 photo IDs were issued as of the end of AUgust. If you give credence to the claim that 750,000 to 1 million people needed IDs, then there's definitely a large measure of Lazy out there in regards to getting what's needed.
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 09:33 PM
@Mike, @Arthur and all you other supporters of this shameful law, have any of you been to a PennDOT license center recently? Have you seen the long lines, know the limited hours? Have you dealt with untrained staff that makes you make unnecessary trips back and forth? Have you had to choose between working a day to feed your family or taking that day off to get ID to vote? I think more people aren't bothering with voting ID because they don't need it in their day to day life and they think both the Dems and the GOP leave a lot to be desired. How dare you call people who don't have ID to vote irresponsible and lazy. Disabled Veterans, senior citizens and the working poor are not lazy. How can you be lazy when you have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet? How irresponsible can you be to get injured while you served your country? How clueless can you be?
Adrian Seltzer September 24, 2012 at 09:35 PM
@Mike, @Arthur and all you other supporters of this shameful law, have any of you been to a PennDOT license center recently? Have you seen the long lines, know the limited hours? Have you dealt with untrained staff that makes you make unnecessary trips back and forth? Have you had to choose between working a day to feed your family or taking that day off to get ID to vote? I think more people aren't bothering with voting ID because they don't need it in their day to day life and they think both the Dems and the GOP leave a lot to be desired. How dare you call people who don't have ID to vote irresponsible and lazy. Disabled Veterans, senior citizens and the working poor are not lazy. How can you be lazy when you have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet? How irresponsible can you be to get injured while you served your country? How clueless can you be?
Publius 2.0 September 24, 2012 at 10:06 PM
I think the "laziness" and civic duty arguments for this law are specious. The question is whether the government has (or should have) the power to condition the exercise of a fundamental right on obtaining a specific form of identification. If the answer to that question is yes, as the GOP says, then it necessarily means (as the GOP itself plans) that the government may also condition gun ownership, religious practice, written and verbal speech and other exercises of fundamental freedoms on a person having and presenting a specific form of identification. It seems to me that this Government power grab is precisely contrary to everything the GOP, the NRA and the Tea Party are against. After all, if you need a license for your rights, then they aren't rights, are they? So, the really bad part about this law is the horrible precedent it sets for the rights of gun owners, bloggers, and religious worshipers. To me, this is a massive expansion of government power over individual liberty.
Arthur September 24, 2012 at 10:11 PM
I am a veteran and have worked with disabled veterans for over 30 years. Most veterans and most disabled veterans vote. They are responsible! Heck, they put their lives on the line for this country, how much more responsible can you be? Veterans probably have the highest percentage of voters than any other segment of this country. Speak about clueless, when it comes to veterans it looks like you do not know what you are talking about.
Mike Shortall Sr September 24, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Oh, Adrian, save us the melodrama. I didn't say they were ALL lazy, just that there is a lot of laziness in having ONLY 10,000 IDs issued for the so-called "million disenfranchised". What's your explanation? That 990,000 people out of a million couldn't get through the PENNDOT process?!? People don't care. They certainly aren't motivated - as they were in 2008 - to vote. I don't buy for a minute the I-can't-get/take-a-day-to-get-to-PENNDOT explanation for those numbers.
Mike Shortall Sr September 24, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Well, Publius, they already condition gun ownership. But registering religious practice and speech is bit "out there", don't ya think? And have you tried to buy a 20+ oz of Pepsi in New York lately? Big Brother and Overbearing Mom are already here and well-established.
Adrian Seltzer September 25, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Apparently you did not read the post properly, I think it is an outrage that the veterans id is not good enough to use to vote since it doesn't have an expiration date. Do they all have a valid ID for voting?
Adrian Seltzer September 25, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Mike, limited PennDot locations, hours and untrained staff account for a good part, not having any candidate to vote for is another, Lot of people think no matter who wins, they lose. And it really is difficult for seniors. You should see their faces when you tell them what they will have to do to vote, something they have been legally doing for years. .
Adrian Seltzer September 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Rep Metcalfe said they were all lazy.
Morgan King September 25, 2012 at 02:45 AM
Conflating the "right to bear arms" with the "right to vote," but framing it as "the right to buy guns," is a pretty shaky comparison - If you want to take up arms without an ID, go grab a pitchfork. If provisional ballots were actually included in the count, maybe it would work a little better - the closest comparison I could come up with to approximate requiring an ID to buy guns with voting was maybe requiring State ID and SSN numbers to vote online, or something similar? Regardless, you can wait as long as you want to get an ID to buy a gun someday, but you can only vote in this election on 11/6/12. I'm pretty sure we can get everyone IDs for guns and voting by 2016, maybe even 2014, if the parties work together on it.
David Curran September 25, 2012 at 04:54 AM
So true Adrian, this law impacts many people, but especially the elderly. It amazes me that people cannot get it into their heads that there are expenses and travel considerations involved in getting the proper ID, that many cannot manage. So much for Compassionate Conservatism.
Adrian Seltzer September 25, 2012 at 11:47 AM
I think that the fact you need the last 4 digits of your social security number to register to vote is the same as needing ID to buy a gun. You don't need ID to shoot the gun why would you need it to vote. Also the underground market is not as big.
David Curran September 25, 2012 at 12:18 PM
In today's Inky, similar situation to what I went through, but not quite. I was told by Chester County Voter services that they could would change my voter registration to reflect my name on my license, if I faxed a copy of my license to to their office. They then would scan my signature for the voting rolls. I wonder how many senior citizens have a fax machine to complete this bizarre process. http://mobile.philly.com/columnists/?wss=/philly/columnists/annette_john-hall/&id=171079821&viewAll=y#more
Mohandus Frieri September 25, 2012 at 12:20 PM
You finally caught on.
RW62 September 25, 2012 at 12:42 PM
It’s funny how these leftists seem to add comments to honest posts and place their twisted beliefs or what they are doing at the time (J-off), Losers. Speaking of J-off, Fa Fa sounds like some sort of relieve to me? Just sayin.
RW62 September 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Stealing the vote! What the hell do you think happened in 08 fool. I suppose you and your comrades have all your deceased family members’ voter registration cards ready?
Bill Nut September 25, 2012 at 01:56 PM
For the love of god shut up!
Adrian Seltzer September 25, 2012 at 02:01 PM
rw62, In PA, I am saying in PA, because from your comment you either never voted here or are from another state, people have to sign the register and their signature has to match, also birthdates are in there so a 50 yr old can't say they are 90. So if the zombie apocolyse voters votes, that is poll worker fraud/incompetence, not voter fraud. The ID will not fix that. The more you know...
kevin September 25, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Most sensible comment on this entire board.

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