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Pa. Non-Taxpayers Fewer than Romney's 47%

Around 32 percent of Pennsylvanian federal tax filers, or 1.9 million people, pay no federal income tax, according to the Tax Foundation.

By Melissa Daniels | PA Independent

HARRISBURG — To put it mildly, Mitt Romney’s secretly recorded statements discussing 47 percent of Americans were filled with some gross exaggerations.

But that 47 percent figure the Republican presidential candidate touted is fairly close to the truth, when it comes to how many Americans have no federal tax liability, according one study.

Nationally, 41 percent of federal income tax filers fell into that category in 2009, according toWashington, D.C.-based research group the Tax Foundation. That figure jumps to 50 percent when considering income earners who do not meet the minimum thresholds for filing a tax return: $9,500 for a single person, and $19,000 for a married couple.

In the Keystone State, the picture is a little different.

Around 32 percent of Pennsylvanian federal tax filers, or 1.9 million people, pay no federal income tax, according to the Tax Foundation.

The state ranks 33rd in order of most non-taxpayers to least, according to 2008 data. The top five states with the highest percentages of non-taxpayers were Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, New Mexico and Alabama.

Leaked videos from Mother Jones show Romney speaking at a private fundraiser about “47 percent of Americans” who depend heavily on government, whom he could never teach to “take personal responsibility and care for their lives,” and who will support President Barack Obama.

He closed the bombardment with: “These are people who pay no taxes.”

In 1990, the percentage of non-payers of all taxpayers was 21 percent, slightly more than half of what it is today. The Tax Foundation cites numerous tax cuts, tax credits and rebates as a main reason for an increased number of non-payers in recent years.

Barbara Scherer September 23, 2012 at 09:19 pm
Let's face it; both wanna be Presidents have their issues and you could argue until doomsday about that. It's very simple as to where you cast your vote. Just ask yourself this personal question, "Am I better off than I was 4 years ago"? If you are, then vote for Obama and if you are not, vote for Romney! At least vote for someone and stop shouting insults at each other! Peace.............
Rosemary B September 23, 2012 at 09:59 pm
I stand by what I said. People who want more and more from the government will not vote for fiscal responsibility because they themselves do not value it. It does not matter what the percent is and it can never be known. I wish people would pay as much attention to Obama's "record" as they are to this comment by Romney.
Rosemary B September 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm
What's wrong with paying 3.75 plus for gas, higher grocery bills, more for electricity? 8% unemployment.The bottom line is we hired this president to move the country in a better direction. As of now, he has not done this. Do you think he can in the next 4 years? His track record says no.
Rosemary B September 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm
What do you think of Jane Fonda?
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 12:09 am
Also in the New Testament:
Those Who Work Shall Eat For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 NKJV
Donald Olson September 24, 2012 at 12:23 am
@Rosemary B Obama has no more control over gas prices then Bush did when he was in office. Not sure if he actually could have control over grocery prices. As for employment numbers, this country was bleeding jobs from all ends at the end of the Bush era. There has been positive job growth since Obama took office. Not one month has gone negative. Is the growth as strong as we would like it, no. Do you think the Tea Baggers in Congress blocking every jobs bill put on the table in the last four years might play a part. Hell Yes, This is fact! Show me where it is not.
Amend September 24, 2012 at 12:53 am
@Rosemary- how can it not matter what that percentage is when the candidate in question uses the example of 47% as a point or reference regarding there being that many people who live off the "government dole", and does so in an attempt to polarize the electorate by playing to their emotional reaction to that many people actually doing so? That's illogical. And I'm not sure why you quoted that verse of scripture. I haven't heard anyone speaking in support of able bodied individuals taking advantage of the system. What is being discussed is that the percentage of those doing taking advantage wasn't anywhere near 47% and that some of those 47% weren't actually playing the system as Mitt Romney implied. That's the whole point of the conversation around his use of that number and the reason for the article.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 12:56 am
Under Obama we have had quantitative easing (QE 1-3) which is devaluing the dollar and driving up prices. And we are not talking about re electing Bush. Bush is not responsible for the last 4 yrs.
The Keystone XL Energy Pipeline will create over 20,000 jobs while battling the high price of gas.The Keystone pipeline had been planned for years.It was supported by Republicans, Democrats, and Unions. President Obama canceled it. House Republicans are trying to create jobs. Since January 2011,they have passed 27 bipartisan jobs bills that are awaiting action in the Democrat-controlled Senate. The stale mate goes both ways. Hell yes! This is a fact! Show me where it is not.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 01:04 am
My point is that we will never know what percent of the 47 percent are truly deadbeats and it does not matter. People who want more and more from the government will not vote for fiscal responsibility because they themselves do not value it. Therefore Romney will not be going after their vote because he knows that he will never get it.
I quoted that scripture because you had brought up the teachings of the bible. I thought that one had particular relevance to our country and how more people should behave.
Amend September 24, 2012 at 01:16 am
@Rosemary- that being the case, that we will never know the actual amount of "deadbeats" using the system, then Mitt Romney should never have brought it up as the actual number of people doing so. It makes him seem rather uninformed and somewhat conniving as he knows, when using that number, what reaction he will elicit; which is that he knows people would be enraged, rightfully so, over the notion that 47% of Americans are working the system, even tho he knows for a fact that that statement is patently false. He's using people's moral outrage against themselves, and that is akin to a sin in my mind, so quote scripture if you like, but don't overlook the transgressions of your candidate simply because he wears an "R" on his chest.
Donald Olson September 24, 2012 at 01:47 am
@ Rosemary QE 1-3 Devaluing the dollar REALLY!! No its not a great plan but economist have almost always used this in a recession. You may also want to read the following report on your Republicans Jobs Bills http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/republican-jobs-bills_n_1687647.html This is probably the reason the repubs won't say much about it. All for show. As for the XL Pipeline, there are more reasons not to give this the go ahead. When researchers drew out the facts that the job boost would be temporary, the end product to corrupt to refine, the only great profits to be made would be by the Canadians.
Food for thought, what percentage of the 47% are seniors on social security considering the baby boomer aspect. And the college students that normally do not need to file.Deadbeats, most will not register to vote, not to call any attention to themselves.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 02:12 am
Much analysis about nothing. Mitt made no transgressions accept admitting the ugly obvious at a fundraiser. People who do not value Fiscal conservatism will not be voting for him.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 02:21 am
If you flood the market with money and buy your own debt you are devaluing the dollar. And what are the positives of Obama's jobs bill? Is it as wonderful as his budget that did not get even one vote?
Amend September 24, 2012 at 02:26 am
@Rosemary- You're inability to admit that Romney's comment was both inaccurate and deceptive only demonstrates the depth of a person's bias. there is no factual accuracy to his ascertain to the statement in question. Nothing you say in his defense will change that.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 03:16 am
I just don't think this comment is very important. He simply admitted the ugly obvious at a closed door fundraiser. People who do not value Fiscal conservatism will not be voting for him. That is not inaccurate nor is it deceptive. I would like to see way more analysis of the 5 trillion increase in the deficit over the past 4 yrs and the record amount of people living in poverty and on food stamps. Seems like Hope and Change has not been feeding people or paying down the debt. Neither has Obama's policies. I would also like to see more analysis on the wisdom of meeting with the ladies of The View and Letterman and not the Prime Minister of Israel in a time of crisis in the Middle East.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:42 am
Obama's redistribution comments were about sending government monies to where they're needed. This is something government does every day. His comments were not about redistributing wealth.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:43 am
It's unbelievable that they're even talking about reducing regulations on financial institutions after what they did to us in 2008. Un freaking believable.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:47 am
Romney's tax plan will make my taxes go up over 2,000 dollars-a-year. The fact that he wants to loosen Wall Street regulations should scare you enough to change your mind on him. Also, didn't you just love the way Ryan made a joke after that guy was pulled from his appearance for interrupting? Instead of taking on the guy's heartfelt concerns, Ryan made a joke about his blood pressure. Unconscionable.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:51 am
Prayer has proven to be effective--but only for the person praying. It has never been demonstrated to help a second or third party. It's theorized that prayer sometimes helps the prayer because when praying is done right it can be a form of meditation. Perry prayed for rain and got none. Just throwing that out there.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:55 am
Voting is a leap of faith. Always has been. The question should be which candidate shares my values the most. Which candidate identifies more closely with me and my family. Sometimes people are not better off after almost 4 years of a presidential term, but the reason why they're not better off has nothing to do with the president at all.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 03:58 am
The pipeline would pipe oil for whom eventually? Us? Or the highest bidder? Face it, we already have a good delivery system in place to get our oil from Canada. The pipeline is intended to bring the oil to the gulf so it can be sold overseas.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 04:15 am
Elections are about many things. Among other things, this year's presidential election is about how we define country. That is, is our country, the United States of America, 300 million individual contracts with a government? Or is it one contract between all of us? It's also about what, constitutionally, our government is supposed to do for us, provide for us and allow for us to have through our own means. Any ideas?
Ronnie DelBacco September 24, 2012 at 11:28 am
For all the Democrats' talk about "paying their fair share"(Obama), why is it OK for 32% of Pennsylvanians to not "pay their fair share"?
If everyone paid the same percentage (say 10%-12%) the rich would still pay much more than the poor, but at least everyone would "have skin in the game" (Biden). Enough with the class warfare already.
Ronnie DelBacco September 24, 2012 at 11:32 am
"Full credit to the seal"?? Except for the 21 times he mentioned killing Osama in his DNC speech.
Ronnie DelBacco September 24, 2012 at 11:45 am
Amend,
He didn't say they live off the government. He said they pay no income tax. It is possible to earn income at such a low level that you qualify for a full tax refund which means you do not pay any income tax. Romney's vision is for people to make more money in the private sector, thus lifting themselves out of poverty and contributing to the debt solution while benefiting themselves. Obama's vision is to keep as many people getting government help, thus keeping them below the poverty level while fooling them into believing that this is the new norm. You decide.
emery1129 September 24, 2012 at 03:04 pm
Romney can't be trusted (is he a part of the 47%?), and has insults for every foreign nation that could be a threat.
Beyond the country clubhouse... He hasn't a clue. Paul Ryan is a name calling hothead that has voted to screw the middle and lower class every time. Obama isn't perfect and hasn't delivered on all the tough promises, but if he could get the republicans to work with instead of against him, things would be really different. I trust him to at least work to make life in these un-United States fair(if not better) for everyone. But no president will ever accomplish anything without help from congress. Besides if we were all doing so great and everyone was wealthy living in the land of milk and cookies... who would the working class be? Robots? There's always gonna be a group that's out daily bustin there butts to take care of the more privileged; and that group (my group), will always feel we have the right to complain. And as long as we life in a country were speech and opinion can be freely expressed our complaints will always be heard. At least were not in Syria, Egypt or any of the other places were your own government kicks you tail.
Rosemary B September 24, 2012 at 06:34 pm
The first 2 yrs of his presidency Obama and the Democrats had control of the House and Senate and still have not made things better. Obama does not have the leadership skills or experience needed to be POTUS.
Ken White September 24, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Romney looks at the economy from the top down. Obama from the bottom (or middle) up. Give me Obama any day.
M.A.B September 25, 2012 at 09:34 pm
I agree with you completely,Amend! Jesus WOULD be considered a liberal socialist by today's standards,which makes me extra proud to call myself a Christian AND a Liberal. Jesus spent his entire time on earth helping people,caring for the poor,feeding the sick,and most of all,loving people. Since the day that President Obama was elected there has been what is to me a confusing and horrifying amount of hatred and bigotry spewing from the mouths of so many people who consider themselves to be conservative Christians . I honestly don't understand what has so unceasingly fueled their rage for the last 4 years,but I think that if they're going to call themselves Christians they might want to reflect a bit on what exactly it means to be followers of Christ.
louis kootsares September 25, 2012 at 11:01 pm
romney is a better person than one who refused to salute the flag and did not care for the star spangled banner, his wife did not either that is documented but you are comatose or and looking for a handout liking ayatolla obahma who apologises to terrorists that killed americans no hope for you

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