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Is There a War Against Youth?

Journalist Stephen Marche claims there is a war against youth and that the massive college student debt problem is part of it.

The specter of how to put two kids through college looms large in my life; I pick at it as one would a scab – and with similar results.

Recently, a mother of three told me her daughter, an grad who went on to a four-year school, has $60,000 in college loans – and she emerged with the least amount of debt among her friends. 

Strangely, that kind of burden on the middle class doesn’t bother syndicated columnist Cal Thomas. In an op-ed piece in The Morning Call last week he wrote this:

“I feel about those with crushing tuition debt the way I feel about people who choose to live along the frequently flooded banks of the Mississippi River. If students and their parents choose expensive schools, they should accept the responsibility and cost of that decision.”

The difference, Mr. Thomas, between a house on a river and the education of this country’s youth is the house is never going to cure cancer, invent the next big thing, write the Great American novel or negotiate peace. Homes on riverbanks are not necessary for society to thrive.

Besides, Thomas makes it sound as if young people could graduate debt free if they would just steer clear of elite private colleges. But even state universities like Penn State are out of reach for many middle class families. Penn State’s tuition and room and board at the main campus is more than $25,000 a year and that’s before you include books and other expenses.

Private colleges, including several in the Lehigh Valley, typically give more aid than state schools but they also start with price tags of $40,000 to $55,000, when you include room and board.

Community colleges and trade schools are fine alternatives but the answer to staggering college costs can’t be that only the rich go to four-year schools. 

These days pundits and politicians are quick to say they don’t want to burden the next generation with more national debt but most don’t seem to appreciate that we are burdening them in other ways. 

In his fascinating article “The War Against Youth” in the May 8 Esquire magazine, Stephen Marche argues that the college loan issue is part of a bigger trend in this country. We are shifting resources to Baby Boomers while we “eat our young.” 

After talking about huge college debts, Marche writes:  

“Once you're out of college, you'll have to intern. Again, no choice. The practice of not paying young people for their labor has become so ingrained in the everyday practice of American business that we've forgotten how bizarre and recent the development is. In the early 1980s, 3 percent of college grads had had an internship. By 2006, 84 percent had done at least one.”

What if our kids instead go to law school or med school?

“In 1981, average medical-school debt was less than $20,000. Today it is $158,000,” he writes. “Law-school tuition rose 317 percent between 1989 and 2009.”

It’s not just that young people won’t be able to consider buying a house until they are 40. It’s that every kid who graduates with that kind of debt has to get a job that will make him lots of money as fast as humanly possible. Forget about taking a job with a low-paying charity or living on boxes of mac and cheese for a year so you can try to start your own business or invent a new product.

We’ll have a whole generation living with crushing debt, which means there can be no margin for error – or risk. 

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Jonathan Gerard May 12, 2012 at 09:59 pm
I had a friend once who said she never voted; she believed in anarchy. When I expressed surprise--assuming that anarchy meant "chaos"--she, a Greek major, corrected me. Anarchy is a social arrangement that means "no government." People just get along.
I would rather live in a society that pools some of its money to achieve collective goals that cannot be achieved individually--schools, roads, police, environmental and banking regulations, the funding of research that is necessary but which private companies are unwilling to do, protecting our food supply, caring minimally for those who are, inevitably, the losers in a capitalist economy... But I understand that others don't believe in sharing some of their wealth for collective endeavors (i.e. government). That is what elections are for. If the Tea Party wins, my point of view will lose and my compatriots and I will continue to try to convince our neighbors of a more communitarian style capitalism. In the meantime, it is clear that readers who agree with Margie Peterson's columns just nod their heads and get on with their lives while some others--a relative few--wait to attack, using whatever subject she writes about as an excuse to vent their anger and push their anti-government screeds. It is predictable and tiresome. And helpful ideas are reduced to such proposals as history majors not be required to learn anything but history to earn a BA degree. For that, one can go to a library--for free.
Jonathan Gerard May 12, 2012 at 10:13 pm
So sorry you had such low aspirations as to settle for a business school, knowing that future income is seriously related to college degree--as per your own lamentable example.
But your heartfelt comment is similar to others, essentially: "What was good enough for me should be good enough for everyone else, too." Those expensive higher ed loans seemed once like an expensive but worthwhile investment in an education that would pay off in future earnings. No one could have predicted that the Bush administration would run up such debt, after the Clinton surpluses, that our entire economy would be put at risk and the hopeful and reasonable plans of our college youth would then be the target of anti-government Republicans--the same ones who voted for W in the first place. If you think that private business creates jobs, not government, then vote to put Romney back into private business. He can't argue both that government can't create jobs and also that he should be the head of government because he knows how to create jobs. I regret the result of Bush's economic policies that gave rise to the Tea Party movement and pushed good moderate Republicans out of the picture. Congress needs them. The country needs them.
Patriot2 May 13, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Sherry has it right. This is about responsibility and not some fabricated democratic political war on youth campaign. $60,000 of debt is correlates to something over one year of starting salary which is roughly the same amount of debt I had 40 years ago. The elite private schools all have need based scholarships to cover the cost for qualified applicants and thereby don't require kids from lower to middle income families to put up much if any money nor even incur much debt. This whole subject is more of a problem for those students from upper middle income families that didn't do well in high school and then want to go to an expensive college that is not well endowed. They don't qualify for financial aid because they are neither poor nor good students. These students need to reassess their options as outlined by Carol above and look at local community colleges and local state branches. Why does everyone deserve a free college education. Do well in high school and you won't need much debt to get a good education. Colleges need to control their costs better but they are loaded with the same liberal minded administrators and faculty like many of the posters on this forum. The "War on Youth" is simply an Obama fabricated cause to get him the youth vote just like the "War on Women". Hitler had fabricated causes just like this guy does.
Jonathan Gerard May 13, 2012 at 01:06 pm
Patriot2--You hide your identity and publish the obscenity comparing Obama to Hitler. I don't recall hearing President Obama calling a group of Americans subhuman, vermin, insects, and turning the engines of government against them, to kill them all, with insecticide.
Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were "conservative" governments. Democratic Weimar, which the Germans voted to dissolve when they democratically handed Germany over to Hitler, was a liberal government. You sound to me like a fool when you attack people with labels. College costs have skyrocketed because of market forces, not because administrators are liberal or conservative. Lafayette College is a bastion of conservatism producing the next generation of engineers and hedge fund managers. Their tuition, room, and board is as high as liberal Columbia's. The bookstore is now buying back textbooks from students for over $100 for a USED text--which they will then sell to next year's students for $185, 25% off the price if new. What has this to do with liberalism? I'd be curious to know what you mean when you use that term, liberalism. Test your thoughts against George W. Bush's policies before you type anything about big government. But first, apologize for the Hitler analogy.
careless fills May 13, 2012 at 06:41 pm
A much better analogy for Obama would be as a fascist. But most people don't know what that really is. I'm sure you do, though. Hitler was a nationistic socialist. Neither of those groups are/were conservative. And their leaders in the 1930's deemed themeselves elites.
Jonathan Gerard May 13, 2012 at 07:32 pm
The name of a party does not tell you anything about the party. We are a republican form of government even when led by Democrats. National socialism was not a form of socialism.
And for the sake of intellectual honesty, make your case against Obama; don't just call him names. For a definition of fascism, go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Finally, to say that Obama is better compared to a fascist than a Nazi is not an apology. You still owe Patch readers an apology. Obama is the elected leader of the greatest nation in the world. Feel free to disagree with him (and thus with the majority of Americans who elected him) but speak of him with respect because you include America itself in your trash talk.
careless fills May 13, 2012 at 08:03 pm
Dude, you should seek your apology from the writer who compared Obama to Hitler. That was someone else - and not me. Now you owe me the apology!
Whilst wikipedia isn't the greatest place to learn history, your cited article, amongst other things, shows that Fascism isn't either right or left, or conservative or liberal, though many people from both sides of the political spectrum mistaken think that it is the opposite of their own views. Politics isn't one dimensional, rather it is mutil-dimensional. I'm not using the term Fascist as an epithet, as many would, but instead as a very dry category. And I didn't even call Obama a Fascist - I said only that it was a better analogy for him, and that's because he exhibits many Fascist tendencies, which no one could deny, especially his critics from the left! BTW, the oriiginal Nazi's were also Fascists, but that's another story.....
Jonathan Gerard May 13, 2012 at 09:17 pm
I apologize for confusing you with another anonymous writer hiding behind a made up name. I'm glad that you read the Wiki link for "fascism." I'm sorry that you didn't learn anything from it. President Obama is not using the military to expunge foreign influence from American political culture or to force his views on anyone else. Congress passed the Affordable Care Act. It was not the result of an executive order or of a military coup. Try not to be a bad loser. The goal was affordable health care for most Americans. That is not an evil goal. And it shouldn't have precipitated the hatred for our President that it did. It is worth asking, "Where is that hatred really coming from?" To refer to the great collaborator--a man criticized repeatedly for being a compromiser, as a fascist is to show, at the very least, a disrespect for words and, more importantly, a lack of understanding of the current political scene.
careless fills May 13, 2012 at 09:48 pm
Whilst the wikipedia article contains much good information, it also has much extraneous information about various corruptions of the original definition of fascism. I prefer the simple, uncomplicated definition from a dictionary which says that it's a philosophy that stands for an centralized, autocratic government with severe economic and social regimentation.
As a liberterian, I find Obama's approach to force churches to fund abortion by his unlegislated regulatory executive order to be an abomination, even though I support choice! That would be one specific example of his autocracy. Likewise his approach to insurance for health care, no matter how one feels about its merits, is a centralizing usurpation of authority that is not authorized by the US Constitution, so it is a right reserved for the states or the people. Finally, with regards to the broader economics, I could say that Obama is a tool of the banking cabal as much as any other of his predecessors. After all, along with Bush, Obama did back the original bailout that occurred just before his election, and they even twisted McCain's arm to join them after his initial reluctance. (look it up!) I'll leave it at that.....
Jonathan Gerard May 13, 2012 at 10:48 pm
"Extraneous" information? Or information that undermines your calling Obama a fascist?
Obama did not require churches to fund abortion. He required employers (except religious institutions) to provide health insurance for their employees. Employers do not get to decide how we will use our health insurance. It's none of their business unless it's illegal and a woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion is a right supported by the Supreme Court. A religious institution cannot take that right away. Health care was voted in by Congress (are they then "fascists"?) not the President. And the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate interstate trade. Everyone agrees that that the economic impact of the health care delivery system is an interstate operation. The question is about the mandate. And the federal government has, in the past, mandated health insurance. You just don't hear that among the libertarians. Do you prefer the present system where any uninsured person can walk into an emergency room and demand health care for free? The mandate was a Republican idea to hold people financially responsible for their own health care. Otherwise YOU pay for their care. Certainly Wall St. bankers have lots of power. But it was Obama--opposed down the line by Republicans--who sought to regulate the investment banks' risky behavior. Obama is trying to reign in the banks. Republicans won't let him.
Jonathan Gerard May 13, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Just an aside: if the banks went down, every American with a pension would have lost that pension. The banks are too big and too powerful but they had to be saved. It was an ugly solution but it was the best alternative among only bad options the government faced. That's what McCain was finally made to realize.
Andrew Wilt May 14, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Jonathan Gerard, why do you believe that if the banks went down, every American with a pension would have lost it?
Just another aside, by some estimates the Fed provided two trillion dollars to banks across the globe, not just in the US, the justification being that since every human on the planet is now connected that all the banks had to be supported. What do you think about supporting the Postal Service in a like manner? Why hasn't this been done? 10 billion would go a long way, trillions are not needed. Would you rather have one less bank or one less Postal Service? Furthermore, I think it is obvious that the Democrats and Republicans together have run the country into the ground at the behest of the defense industry and their campaign for endless war. Pat Buchanan pretty much summed it up when he said, "Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation."
Chris Miller May 14, 2012 at 03:36 pm
Jon
I cannot believe that you are this foolish. Anarchy is a state of disorder because there is no govermnet. You seem to want to tell us that anarchy is nothing but a hippy commune. As to that "People just get along" comment, might I ask what kind of society is that. As long as people are people we will have those who will not get along because they will be a diversity of opinions and ideas. Were that to disappear I would suggest you coule label you community "Boredom Village" As to Maggie's column, I think you would discover that she tossed the article out there to see what would come forth.
Chris Miller May 14, 2012 at 03:45 pm
Jon
Here again I would ask that you take a real look at the educational system across the nation. It is nothing but big business. You talked about social studies. It is not the way to go because it is nothing but slivers of various disciplines. It is far better to have a history course, a geography course, various math courses. and so forth. This way students get more information pertaining to the subject matter. Costs in local education have gone through the roof because we have added stuff. At the college level we have added staff. Yet at the local level student populations are going down. while staff and building is going up. Check something before you write about it. Careles fills has taken you apart with correctness.
Chris Miller May 14, 2012 at 03:51 pm
Jon
Let me add that Obama is also a narcissist. He is a very bad man and has lied to you and others who supported him. Have you read the books he has written? You should do that and then you will have the essence of the man. Check the past of his Kenyan father. I think you will find that it was not the Kenyan father who was the father. And yes, Mr. Obama is a Fascist.
careless fills May 14, 2012 at 05:43 pm
@jg - Even if everything else you said was true (and all of it is subject to debate), none of what you say even addresses the fact that:
1) Obama's executive order to make churches furnished insurance cover abortions could be deemed a unilateral, autocratic, and fascist usurpation of power. 2) Or that health care is a fascist centralization of power. 3) Or that by his actions, Obama proved he is just as much a tool of the banks as all of his predecessors. BTW, it was the Republicans in Congress that tried to block the bank bailout in fall of 2008. I actually think it was necessary. See Maria Bartilomo's excellent book reporting on the minute by minute happenings in one weekend.
Gene T. DiPalma May 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm
After reading all the comments, I must say to one degree or another all are making good points. However, we the people have forgotten one important thing. We have the ability to control it all. If you want college to cost less, then you stop attending the expensive schools and attend the less expensive and in many cases better schools for learning. If you want government to use our money more effectively then you with hold your payments until they listen. A consumer driven ecomony is just that...if you don't buy something they either change it or close. Colleges have closed, car models failed and were discontinued (the Pacer) and many more. We, the people who make purchases control the market. We just have to learn how to control ourselves.
careless fills May 15, 2012 at 06:54 pm
For the record, I just saw former Obama Chief of staff will be interviewed on CNBC Closing Bell at 430PM and was introduced as a former Chairman of JP Morgan Chase! Nice revolving door for members of the Chicago gang. Fyi, Daley was the mayor of Chicago and one of Obama's mentors. They're all scratching each other's backs and this supports my earlier claim that Obama is a tool of the banks as much as any of his predecessors.
Andrew Wilt May 15, 2012 at 08:56 pm
Gene T. DiPalma, how exactly does one withhold payment of taxes to any government without serious consequences? I'm all for it if possible, don't get me wrong, I just don't see how it's possible. Unless everybody, and I mean everybody, decided to do it all at the same time.
Gene T. DiPalma May 15, 2012 at 09:09 pm
Exactly, you don't like the way your school district uses your tax dollar then those in the district have to get together and do what is necessary to get their attention. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not pushing for a tax revolt, however we the people have the ability to control those who WE employ. We don't work to support those elected, they are suppose to work on our behalf.
Andrew Wilt May 15, 2012 at 09:14 pm
Unfortunately, school districts get a substantial portion of their revenue from property taxes. If property taxes are not paid, the county sells your house, if you have one, out from under you. It's not really a viable solution. And, we could use another revolution by the way, I am advocating one, as anything short of one will only give us more of the unaccountable government we have seen for decades.
Gene T. DiPalma May 16, 2012 at 12:43 am
Again, I am not suggesting a tax revolt. You are correct, however you fail to remember this country was formed by people who stuck together for a common cause. If people were to band together to make a point the school district can't win against the numbers. EXAMPLE: If you have 2,500 home owners sign a petition saying they will not pay their taxes unless they agree not to spend 4M dollars on a new gold plated pool for the high school and build what was needed they can't take all 2,500 home owners on. You are noticed by the press, the elected officials and others. You deliver a message, we the people want access, reasonable decisions and spending. The overall message that is sent reaches far more than just the local school board. The main problem I beleive is people in general find it easier to complain than to take action. Think about all the products that were poorly made, people stop buying them, the product was replaced or the company went broke. The concept is the same. When you are unhappy or feel dissatisfied you need to have your voice heard.
Andrew Wilt May 16, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Gene, I certainly agree that there is power in numbers, people banding together in a common cause have accomplished quite a bit. Getting them to all band together is another issue however. General complacency is a problem unless circumstances become almost unbearable, until then most everyone will go along with anything. Look at what's happening in this country, the bankers clearly control Congress, everyone knows it, the entire global economy is in trouble because greedy financial institution elite mismanaged risk and engaged in all manner of fraud, nobody has even been indicted for this much less gone to jail, we are fighting extremely costly undeclared wars in the Middle East which get us nothing and probably cause more terrorism rather than help with it, corporations are getting away with all sorts of fraud because they have 25,000 lobbyists in Washington working our "leaders" every day, the Postal Service is in a shambles for want of a few billion dollars yet the banks get trillions, American education is on the decline, unemployment is high, the list goes on, yet here we are, that vast majority is only concerned about Dancing With the Stars. The federal government is bungling everything, yet there are no consequences. And if you say that we can vote them out, sure, we can, but the next bunch will be no better. They are all puppets of big business, it doesn't matter which party they belong to.
Carol May 16, 2012 at 02:11 pm
Read what Mark Cuban has to say about the topic.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2012/05/16/mark-cuban-college-is-a-business-decision
Gene T. DiPalma May 16, 2012 at 02:59 pm
Someone in the past said "money is the root of all evil" I have no idea who said that but it does have merit. It could be said that power is the root of evil also. Just about anything that was design for the good can be used for evil purposes. I disagree with very little you states in your posts. It is not to late to change things. People have the ability right now to say STOP, this is wrong, this is not the way to do it. Can we change things this year? No, but we can start the process. It has taken us 40 years to get to this point, it will take at least 10 years to greatly improve things.
Gene T. DiPalma May 16, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Carol, I read Mr. Cuban's comments and though I did not expand on the topic nearly as much as he did I see we are in agreement. It is always nice to have things confirmed.
ted.dobracki May 17, 2012 at 01:33 am
Excellent article from Cuban. Two points of agreement that I can personally attest to:
1) Don't give up on applying to private school because of cost. Often the financial aid package will reduce costs to same as state colleges. 2) Community college is often a very good option, even for those who will go beyond two year degree. Many schools have articulation agreements with state colleges. My family has also had some excellent experiences at our own community college. One child, who attended for a semester, in transition between two other more highly regarded schools found the instructors at LCCC top notch and second to none of those he had at the other places. Ditto for me, for the classes that I've taken there as an adult for enrichment and a possible future second career.
Rosemary B May 17, 2012 at 03:15 pm
I think we are at the point now, 3 yrs into his presidency, that Barack Obama needs to be held responsible for his share of the national debt problem.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/
careless fills June 21, 2012 at 06:17 pm
Thomas Sowell of Stanford U's Hoover Institute agrees with the opinion I stated here last month about categorizing Obama as a Fascist. see: http://spectator.org/archives/2012/06/12/socialist-or-fascist The president certainly exhibits many Fascist tendencies as both Sowell and I have presented. I'd go further - Obama is more of a tool of the banks and bankers than ANY of his recent predecessors, with none excepted.
careless fills October 17, 2012 at 06:17 pm
more info - rahm emmanual, the current mayor of chicago and obama's first chief of staff is also a banker, serving several stints at goldman sachs. The last stint which was for just a few months on one side of his Chieftanship garnered him 8 figures (more than $10,000,000!)
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An interested bystander May 6, 2013 at 05:29 pm
Just pointing out facts. You are also forgetting that money withdrawn from an IRA or 401k (exceptRead More Roth IRAs) are taxed at withdrawal. I prefer my government not punish good financial actions. Sorry it's a quirk of mine, I think we should reward those who make good decisions, not punish them.
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I agree with you Interested Bystander. Problem is that if you punish the ones making the badRead More decisions, the Federal government will be punished all the time. In the current climate, poor decision making gets rewarded by voters. The middle class doesn't have a chance.
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