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Pa. Non-Taxpayers Fewer than Romney's 47%

Around 32 percent of Pennsylvanian federal tax filers, or 1.9 million people, pay no federal income tax, according to the Tax Foundation.

 

By Melissa Daniels | PA Independent

HARRISBURG — To put it mildly, Mitt Romney’s secretly recorded statements discussing 47 percent of Americans were filled with some gross exaggerations.

But that 47 percent figure the Republican presidential candidate touted is fairly close to the truth, when it comes to how many Americans have no federal tax liability, according one study.

Nationally, 41 percent of federal income tax filers fell into that category in 2009, according toWashington, D.C.-based research group the Tax Foundation. That figure jumps to 50 percent when considering income earners who do not meet the minimum thresholds for filing a tax return: $9,500 for a single person, and $19,000 for a married couple.

In the Keystone State, the picture is a little different.

Around 32 percent of Pennsylvanian federal tax filers, or 1.9 million people, pay no federal income tax, according to the Tax Foundation.

The state ranks 33rd in order of most non-taxpayers to least, according to 2008 data. The top five states with the highest percentages of non-taxpayers were Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, New Mexico and Alabama.

Leaked videos from Mother Jones show Romney speaking at a private fundraiser about “47 percent of Americans” who depend heavily on government, whom he could never teach to “take personal responsibility and care for their lives,” and who will support President Barack Obama.

He closed the bombardment with: “These are people who pay no taxes.”

In 1990, the percentage of non-payers of all taxpayers was 21 percent, slightly more than half of what it is today. The Tax Foundation cites numerous tax cuts, tax credits and rebates as a main reason for an increased number of non-payers in recent years.

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John

7:58 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

So 50% pay no federal income tax....Romney said 47%..what a MAJOR mistake...I can see why this news overrides the FACT that our President FAILED to respond to worldwide attacks on our embassy, the death of 6 Americans, the destruction of $200 million of jet fighters, the requests to meet by allies from Israel....oh, that's right....he was too busy making an apology video with Hillary...hangin' in Vegas...doin' Letterman and rappin' with his boy Jay Z....yeah...I can see the equality of all that versus a statement that was 3% off. from a 6 months ago statement being equally newsworthy....

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Donald Olson

11:03 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

You may want to fact check exactly what that 47% is comprised of then put your head back in the sand!!!

Erika

8:32 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

John, why don't you read the article a little more carefully.

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Cindy

8:49 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Erika, please tell me you are just as sick of this nonstory that has been in the headlines way too long. It has been dissected every which way, and then AGAIN! Do you talk about Obamas redistribution statements he's made over and over again? Can anyone give me a FAIR number of how much I need to give back to the government? Do you get that it's NEVER enough. They just spend more! Btw...why don't we hear about the MILLIONS of dollars the Romney's give to charity every year? I'm sure you will spin that too. I guess there was NO big secret in his tax returns except that he PAID them! Idiots!

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Ken White

11:42 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Obama's redistribution comments were about sending government monies to where they're needed. This is something government does every day. His comments were not about redistributing wealth.

Amend Wun

9:03 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

The issue isn't the precision of the percentage that Romney invoked. It's how he characterized almost half of the population as deadbeats that weren't interested in taking responsibility for their lives and were looking for a government hand out.

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Rosemary B

11:29 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Many of them are deadbeats who don't take responsibility for their lives. I have a cousin like that. The truth hurts.People who want more and more from the government will not vote for fiscal responsibility because they themselves do not value it.

Amend Wun

9:20 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Cindy- regarding redistribution of wealth, why are you not equally incensed by the redistribution of wealth towards the upper income brackets that has occurred over the last 30 years? Honestly, I can't figure out how middle class Americans are able to convince themselves that Romney is going to be a better option for them when he promises to continue doing the same thing that has caused the middle class to be eviscerated and for wealth to be redistributed to the top 1%. Are you even paying attention to what their saying? They're admitting to larger tax cuts for upper imcome, repealing Obamacare, reducing Medicare to a voucher system, limiting collective bargaining, reducing regulations on financial institutions and industry...how does any of that assist the middle class? As for Mitt Romney's charitable giving, the vast majority of that went to his own church. I'm not a Mormon, so I'm not really impressed with that.

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Ken White

11:44 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

It's unbelievable that they're even talking about reducing regulations on financial institutions after what they did to us in 2008. Un freaking believable.

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Ronnie DelBacco

7:28 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

For all the Democrats' talk about "paying their fair share"(Obama), why is it OK for 32% of Pennsylvanians to not "pay their fair share"?
If everyone paid the same percentage (say 10%-12%) the rich would still pay much more than the poor, but at least everyone would "have skin in the game" (Biden).
Enough with the class warfare already.

Cindy

9:31 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Amend Amend...there you go...didn't I say you would write off his charitable contributions. I see your posts all the time. You one of the left loons!! I know exactly what Romney's plan is and YES that is what I want him to do! Get this...it is NOT the government's money! It is their money that we TAKE! What is a FAIR rate? You lefties NEVER answer that question. Also, what about the millions Obama raped from Medicare to pay for his Obamacare? More people have DROPPED out of the middle class under Obama. If you don't get that, you are a LOST cause. I will NOT waste my time with you!

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Ken White

11:47 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Romney's tax plan will make my taxes go up over 2,000 dollars-a-year. The fact that he wants to loosen Wall Street regulations should scare you enough to change your mind on him. Also, didn't you just love the way Ryan made a joke after that guy was pulled from his appearance for interrupting? Instead of taking on the guy's heartfelt concerns, Ryan made a joke about his blood pressure. Unconscionable.

louis kootsares

9:47 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

you want wealth?work for it .. you want a socialist president who blames everyone but himself for screwing up the country,says he is sorry for killing of americans,by the people who were behind 9/11is trying to take 1st and 2nd amendment rights,wants to take 8oo billion from medicare, welcomes illegals caters to the freeloaders,and is bought and paid for,ayatolla obahma is your person if you like him.. come see me i have a bridge in brooklyn ill sell you

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Amend Wun

10:32 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Cindy- could you explain who the "they" are when you say "their money that we take"? I'm not sure how to respond to your comment about the millions being raped from Medicare. I'm not an expert on the matter, but every source I've read seems to say that the $700+ million number being used is calculated as future savings accrued by making the system more efficient, and the financial benefit derived by adding millions to the system. It wasn't presented as a cut in funding. At least that's how I've heard it being explained. You can't blame Obama for the bottoming out of the middle class. That's just absurd considering the reality of the situation. Just like the unemployment rate is his fault. Be real. Supporting more of what got us her because you dislike Obama is like cutting off your nose despite your face.

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Donald Olson

11:13 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

I could spend hours fact checking and proving most of these comments wrong but I won't waste my time. I will state one thing, as a Viet Nam era veteran I know what Romney did to avoid the draft. Maybe this is why he feels he has to donate mucho money to his church! This is not spin, and it is proven!!

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Rosemary B

11:32 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

What did he do to avoid the draft?

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Rosemary B

6:16 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

What do you think of Jane Fonda?

louis kootsares

11:33 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

what rank did ayatolla obahma reach in the armed forces and what branch? he sure did spout when our seals did in the scumbag hiding in pakistan they did the dirty work and he did the bragging nice and safe in the white house and really believing that those scumbag terrorists were motivated by a film.... and being apologetic when they murdered americans

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Donald Olson

12:13 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

BTW, Obama gave full credit to the Navy seals. As for being nice and safe in the White House, NO president republican or democrat is nice and safe considering they put their asses on the line every time the speak in public considering all the wingnuts running around today.

Donald Olson

11:44 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Louis, all I can say to you is that you need to get your TV fixed, there IS life after FOX News!! And Rush is thankful for your support! Rosemary B. to answer your question his church sent him overseas as a missionary when they realized his draft eligibility.

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Ronnie DelBacco

7:32 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"Full credit to the seal"?? Except for the 21 times he mentioned killing Osama in his DNC speech.

louis kootsares

12:01 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

tv works fine the only thing that needs fixing is the presidency i am fixed... i will not screw up again and vote for that scumbag who i think if he had his way would herd all the senior citizens into the furnaces ala adolph hitler

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Cindy

1:12 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Amend...taxpayers you idiot. You couldn't figure that out! You are such a waste! And you didn't answer my question...what is frea****g fair you left wing lib? Sorry for the delay in my response...I was at mass praying that our country wakes up and realizes Obama is a sad excuse for a President!!!

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Ken White

11:51 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Prayer has proven to be effective--but only for the person praying. It has never been demonstrated to help a second or third party. It's theorized that prayer sometimes helps the prayer because when praying is done right it can be a form of meditation. Perry prayed for rain and got none. Just throwing that out there.

Amend Wun

1:54 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Cindy- I'm sorry, but your sentence "it's their money that we take" made no sense the way you wrote it. It's still equally confusing with the role of "their" being the taxpayer with the use of "we" in the same sentence. As for what's a fair percentage for you to pay in taxes, I don't know what you earn(nor do I need to know), but it's safe to say that most middle class taxpayers pay an average of 28-35% on their income. Is that a fair amount? Perhaps, but that could be subjective as well, in that some people don't want to hive any of their income to the government. I can say, that a multi millionaire running for president who earns almost all of his income from dividends and pays about 14% of that in taxes trying to say that that's fair is questionable at best. Add onto that, his defense of a paradigm that has created even greater wealth polarization, and I'm left thinking he is simply looking out for what's best for him and those he knows like him.

Oh, and Jesus probably wouldn't approve of someone calling others an "idiot" and a "waste". Just sayin'.

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Amend Wun

2:01 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Rosemary- saying "many of them are deadbeats" isn't a definitive, nor does it reflect his use of 47% as a statistical observation. How many is "many"? Is it 30%, 20%...10? Aren't we just taking anecdotal stereotypes and trying to extrapolate them onto a larger population simply out of ease and for a political purpose? Isn't that, by definition, spreading a falsehood? What ever happened to trying to be accurate? Guess that's not really the issue tho, using facts.

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Donald Olson

2:43 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Carl Rove suggests that we shouldn't listen to facts!! I guess it clouds one's thinking.

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Rosemary B

5:59 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

I stand by what I said. People who want more and more from the government will not vote for fiscal responsibility because they themselves do not value it. It does not matter what the percent is and it can never be known. I wish people would pay as much attention to Obama's "record" as they are to this comment by Romney.

Cindy

2:46 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

I love when you libs try to tell the rest of us what Jesus would do. I agree He wouldn't appreciate me calling you a loser, but there are worse things. Maybe Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi or Katherine Sebelius could give me lessons on how to be a good Catholic! Lol!!! Btw...if the shoe fits!

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Amend Wun

3:18 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Cindy- I'm sorry, but are you implying that somehow conservatives are the only ones capable of embracing Jesus's teachings? You do realize that Jesus would be considered a liberal socialist by today's standards? Its also deeply hypocritical to in one breath admit to affronting his teachings by being hostile and insulting towards your fellow man, while in the next breath continuing to do that very same thing. Seems hardly apologetic and not very Christain at all. And then trying to justify it by picking on democratic Catholics as somehow worse. How do those shoes fit indeed?

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Rosemary B

8:09 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Also in the New Testament:

Those Who Work Shall Eat
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 NKJV

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M.A.B

5:34 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I agree with you completely,Amend! Jesus WOULD be considered a liberal socialist by today's standards,which makes me extra proud to call myself a Christian AND a Liberal. Jesus spent his entire time on earth helping people,caring for the poor,feeding the sick,and most of all,loving people. Since the day that President Obama was elected there has been what is to me a confusing and horrifying amount of hatred and bigotry spewing from the mouths of so many people who consider themselves to be conservative Christians . I honestly don't understand what has so unceasingly fueled their rage for the last 4 years,but I think that if they're going to call themselves Christians they might want to reflect a bit on what exactly it means to be followers of Christ.

Barbara Scherer

5:19 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Let's face it; both wanna be Presidents have their issues and you could argue until doomsday about that. It's very simple as to where you cast your vote. Just ask yourself this personal question, "Am I better off than I was 4 years ago"? If you are, then vote for Obama and if you are not, vote for Romney! At least vote for someone and stop shouting insults at each other! Peace.............

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Rosemary B

6:14 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

What's wrong with paying 3.75 plus for gas, higher grocery bills, more for electricity? 8% unemployment.The bottom line is we hired this president to move the country in a better direction. As of now, he has not done this. Do you think he can in the next 4 years? His track record says no.

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Ken White

11:55 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Voting is a leap of faith. Always has been. The question should be which candidate shares my values the most. Which candidate identifies more closely with me and my family. Sometimes people are not better off after almost 4 years of a presidential term, but the reason why they're not better off has nothing to do with the president at all.

Donald Olson

8:23 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Rosemary B Obama has no more control over gas prices then Bush did when he was in office. Not sure if he actually could have control over grocery prices. As for employment numbers, this country was bleeding jobs from all ends at the end of the Bush era. There has been positive job growth since Obama took office. Not one month has gone negative. Is the growth as strong as we would like it, no. Do you think the Tea Baggers in Congress blocking every jobs bill put on the table in the last four years might play a part. Hell Yes, This is fact! Show me where it is not.

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Rosemary B

8:56 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Under Obama we have had quantitative easing (QE 1-3) which is devaluing the dollar and driving up prices. And we are not talking about re electing Bush. Bush is not responsible for the last 4 yrs.
The Keystone XL Energy Pipeline will create over 20,000 jobs while battling the high price of gas.The Keystone pipeline had been planned for years.It was supported by Republicans, Democrats, and Unions. President Obama canceled it.

House Republicans are trying to create jobs. Since January 2011,they have passed 27 bipartisan jobs bills that are awaiting action in the Democrat-controlled Senate. The stale mate goes both ways. Hell yes! This is a fact! Show me where it is not.

Amend Wun

8:53 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Rosemary- how can it not matter what that percentage is when the candidate in question uses the example of 47% as a point or reference regarding there being that many people who live off the "government dole", and does so in an attempt to polarize the electorate by playing to their emotional reaction to that many people actually doing so? That's illogical. And I'm not sure why you quoted that verse of scripture. I haven't heard anyone speaking in support of able bodied individuals taking advantage of the system. What is being discussed is that the percentage of those doing taking advantage wasn't anywhere near 47% and that some of those 47% weren't actually playing the system as Mitt Romney implied. That's the whole point of the conversation around his use of that number and the reason for the article.

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Rosemary B

9:04 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

My point is that we will never know what percent of the 47 percent are truly deadbeats and it does not matter. People who want more and more from the government will not vote for fiscal responsibility because they themselves do not value it. Therefore Romney will not be going after their vote because he knows that he will never get it.

I quoted that scripture because you had brought up the teachings of the bible. I thought that one had particular relevance to our country and how more people should behave.

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Ronnie DelBacco

7:45 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Amend,
He didn't say they live off the government. He said they pay no income tax. It is possible to earn income at such a low level that you qualify for a full tax refund which means you do not pay any income tax.
Romney's vision is for people to make more money in the private sector, thus lifting themselves out of poverty and contributing to the debt solution while benefiting themselves.
Obama's vision is to keep as many people getting government help, thus keeping them below the poverty level while fooling them into believing that this is the new norm.
You decide.

Amend Wun

9:16 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Rosemary- that being the case, that we will never know the actual amount of "deadbeats" using the system, then Mitt Romney should never have brought it up as the actual number of people doing so. It makes him seem rather uninformed and somewhat conniving as he knows, when using that number, what reaction he will elicit; which is that he knows people would be enraged, rightfully so, over the notion that 47% of Americans are working the system, even tho he knows for a fact that that statement is patently false. He's using people's moral outrage against themselves, and that is akin to a sin in my mind, so quote scripture if you like, but don't overlook the transgressions of your candidate simply because he wears an "R" on his chest.

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Rosemary B

10:12 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Much analysis about nothing. Mitt made no transgressions accept admitting the ugly obvious at a fundraiser. People who do not value Fiscal conservatism will not be voting for him.

Donald Olson

9:47 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@ Rosemary QE 1-3 Devaluing the dollar REALLY!! No its not a great plan but economist have almost always used this in a recession. You may also want to read the following report on your Republicans Jobs Bills http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/republican-jobs-bills_n_1687647.html This is probably the reason the repubs won't say much about it. All for show. As for the XL Pipeline, there are more reasons not to give this the go ahead. When researchers drew out the facts that the job boost would be temporary, the end product to corrupt to refine, the only great profits to be made would be by the Canadians.

Food for thought, what percentage of the 47% are seniors on social security considering the baby boomer aspect. And the college students that normally do not need to file.Deadbeats, most will not register to vote, not to call any attention to themselves.

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Ken White

11:58 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

The pipeline would pipe oil for whom eventually? Us? Or the highest bidder? Face it, we already have a good delivery system in place to get our oil from Canada. The pipeline is intended to bring the oil to the gulf so it can be sold overseas.

Rosemary B

10:21 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

If you flood the market with money and buy your own debt you are devaluing the dollar. And what are the positives of Obama's jobs bill? Is it as wonderful as his budget that did not get even one vote?

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Amend Wun

10:26 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

@Rosemary- You're inability to admit that Romney's comment was both inaccurate and deceptive only demonstrates the depth of a person's bias. there is no factual accuracy to his ascertain to the statement in question. Nothing you say in his defense will change that.

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Rosemary B

11:16 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

I just don't think this comment is very important. He simply admitted the ugly obvious at a closed door fundraiser. People who do not value Fiscal conservatism will not be voting for him. That is not inaccurate nor is it deceptive. I would like to see way more analysis of the 5 trillion increase in the deficit over the past 4 yrs and the record amount of people living in poverty and on food stamps. Seems like Hope and Change has not been feeding people or paying down the debt. Neither has Obama's policies. I would also like to see more analysis on the wisdom of meeting with the ladies of The View and Letterman and not the Prime Minister of Israel in a time of crisis in the Middle East.

Ken White

12:15 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Elections are about many things. Among other things, this year's presidential election is about how we define country. That is, is our country, the United States of America, 300 million individual contracts with a government? Or is it one contract between all of us? It's also about what, constitutionally, our government is supposed to do for us, provide for us and allow for us to have through our own means. Any ideas?

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emery1129

11:04 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Romney can't be trusted (is he a part of the 47%?), and has insults for every foreign nation that could be a threat.
Beyond the country clubhouse... He hasn't a clue.
Paul Ryan is a name calling hothead that has voted to screw the middle and lower class every time.
Obama isn't perfect and hasn't delivered on all the tough promises, but if he could get the republicans to work with instead of against him, things would be really different. I trust him to at least work to make life in these un-United States fair(if not better) for everyone. But no president will ever accomplish anything without help from congress.
Besides if we were all doing so great and everyone was wealthy living in the land of milk and cookies... who would the working class be?
Robots?
There's always gonna be a group that's out daily bustin there butts to take care of the more privileged; and that group (my group), will always feel we have the right to complain. And as long as we life in a country were speech and opinion can be freely expressed our complaints will always be heard. At least were not in Syria, Egypt or any of the other places were your own government kicks you tail.

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Rosemary B

2:34 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

The first 2 yrs of his presidency Obama and the Democrats had control of the House and Senate and still have not made things better. Obama does not have the leadership skills or experience needed to be POTUS.

Ken White

6:11 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Romney looks at the economy from the top down. Obama from the bottom (or middle) up. Give me Obama any day.

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louis kootsares

7:01 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

romney is a better person than one who refused to salute the flag and did not care for the star spangled banner, his wife did not either that is documented but you are comatose or and looking for a handout liking ayatolla obahma who apologises to terrorists that killed americans no hope for you

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