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Council Mixed on Single Trash Hauler Proposal

Council President Eric Evans and Councilman Robert Donchez say more time is needed for discussion. Councilwoman Karen Dolan says council has 'discussed this issue to death.'

 

 

Bethlehem City Council gave mixed reviews to Mayor John Callahan’s plan to switch to a single municipal trash hauler during the first of four hearings to discuss the mayor’s proposed 2013 budget Monday night.

Council President Eric Evans said he is not sure that the remainder of 2012 is enough time to sufficiently debate and implement a new trash collection system in the city.

“I’m getting more comments on that than I’ve had on anything else since I’ve been on council these last couple of years,” Evans said.

Councilman Robert Donchez agreed that the issue might need more time to be hashed out. “I think it deserves a full debate and discussion,” he said.

But Councilwoman Karen Dolan saw it differently, noting that it has come up for discussion on numerous occasions over the years, but was never actually put to a council vote. “I would say we have debated and discussed this issue to death,” she said.

“I would have voted in favor of a single hauler system … if it had ever come before us for a vote,” Dolan said.

Should Bethlehem switch to a single hauler trash collection system? Take our poll and tell us in the comments.

Dolan argued that the multitude of garbage trucks that patrol the city streets not only increase air pollution, but also do additional damage to streets, curbs and light posts, which becomes a city expense.

Dolan also argued that council should be less concerned about 100 people who may come to a council meeting to complain about a trash hauling change than 70,000 city residents who will benefit from it.

"It's not our job to keep one particular group of small businesses in business," Dolan said.

At his initial budget presentation, Callahan said that a citizen satisfaction survey showed that 58 percent of Bethlehem residents would support switching to a single hauler system.

Garbage haulers have nonetheless proved to be a vocal and influential lobby at past council meetings and will likely be again when council more fully discusses the issue at its next budget hearing Nov. 27. It had initially been scheduled for discussion on Dec. 4, but a change to the budget deliberation schedule was announced Monday afternoon.

There was little public comment on the proposal Monday, outside of an impassioned plea from former city employee Dana Grubb to keep things as they are for the sake of elderly fixed-income residents who use the current system to save money by, for example, combining garbage with next door neighbors or relatives.

“The city should not be jumping into this and making a profit,” Grubb said.

Callahan is hoping the city can gain an additional $500,000 in revenue by hiring a single municipal hauler.

It was unclear how other council members felt about the proposal. Councilman David DiGiacinto was silent through the meeting. Councilwoman Jean Belinski was absent.

Councilmen J. William Reynolds and Michael Recchiuti both said that many difficult decisions would have to be made during this budget cycle.

“We’re going to have to make some unpopular decisions,” Reynolds said. “That’s leadership.”

  • Should Bethlehem switch to a single hauler trash collection system?

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    • Yes
        4 (13%)
    • No
        24 (80%)
    • I'm not sure
        2 (6%)
    Total votes: 30
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Related Topics: 2013 Budget, Bethlehem City Council, City of Bethlehem, Single Hauler, and Trash Collection

Dana Grubb

7:31 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

First, this is nothing more than a hidden tax that will be placed ONLY on residents and will hurt different segments of the community. If you need money to balance the budget, assess everyone not just people living in homes, many of whom struggle to live there already.

Second, there is no guarantee that it will cost every homeowner less.

Third, government shouldn't be putting small businesses (the independent haulers) in jeopardy of going out of business. The free market system works and government should stay out of it.

Finally, claiming you need $500,000 in the general fund to prop up the recycling program only convinces me that the proposal to privatize the compost/mulch operation is appropriate and they need to streamline recycling, and maybe that should be privatized as well. Residents already are paying $60 annually on their water/sewer bills toward the recycling program. How much more do they need and is it for recycling or elsewhere.

Way too many questions and uncertainties in this budget and particularly with trash hauling and recycling.

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Staberdearth

7:34 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I am less inclined to follow any recommendation hook, line, and sinker, when made by the Doober Dolan (yes, your ex students know you!) who has NEVER OPERATED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. She is an indictment of the local electorate who seems to like to elect, bereft of common sense, school teachers from the public sector. Her politics are blubberingly emotional without a clue. Was there an analysis here? Doubtful. Emotes don't think, they react to their guttural tendencies. Dolan would not know how to do an objective, reasoned, logical analysis if her supply of substance depended on it!

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Dana Carr Burke

1:12 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I'm confused, are you voting against city trash hauling, or just Dolan?

john falbo

8:02 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I am very happy with the business relationship I have with my trash hauler. I am quite sure this will be lost in a single hauler system. Presently I can negotiate with my hauler when I need to dispose of excessive material. I doubt I will be able to do so in a single hauler system. Finally the blatant disrespect for these individual business owners (trash haulers) is sad.

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Ruby Montana

4:51 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Individual trash hauling is an issue in Bethlehem because it is so well liked.
You can negotiate with a hauler you pay. You make the contract, not the city. There has been no reference to how this system would be paid. By the bag? Trash is collected at the landfill by weight. A bag of kitty litter is NOT a bag of Styrofoam. And what of lids? You cannot use your lid for recyclables! Heaven forbid! When is pick-up? Every week? Every two weeks? And when do we all get a look at that contract?
Save me the insult to my intelligence. The City needs 500,000 bucks. Charge me a fiver and call it quits. I keep my hauler and they get the cash.

Oh, and Ms. Dolan .... the population of Bethlehem is 75,000. It says so right on the home page of the official website!

Chuck Hennet

8:27 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Under the current system, if my trash hauler does a poor job, I am free to find another, and to negotiate on price as well. Under a system with one hauler, there would be little incentive to provide excellent service. It seems like a step backward.

And you can bet that the contract would be awarded to one of the major corporate trash haulers. Another step in the wrong direction.

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logansteele

6:23 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

It feels a little like being in Venezuela or Argentina, doesn't it? One day you're dealing with private business and have options and the next you have no voice at all.

Tom Bennett

9:00 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Life is good or at least better if you know a dependable plumber and that goes for your trash hauler as well . Have you ever noticed news stories about trash piling up at the curb in major metropolitan areas when there's a work stoppage . I know, we'll get assurances that won't happen , but it will and life will get ugly very quickly . Isn't there enough government in our life already ?

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Jim Reighty

9:03 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Single hauler has merits. Better for environment, less trucks on road. Most likely cheaper (I know the per bag payer may see an increase, but most people who pay $25-30 per month would see a decrease) The City would be a bulk buyer and could get the best rates in a competitive bid scenario.
The "little guy" is not always so little. Many of this little guys are commonly owned. I know there are exceptions, but I know East Penn Sanitation bought my little guy earlier this year.
Single hauler would probably give more service than most currently have.

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Dana Grubb

10:00 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

One of the local independent haulers who was present at last night's meeting told me that he can beat the estimated cost on contract hauling. And, at least the profit goes into supporting a small business, its employees, and its local suppliers (think gas, oil and other materials that the local haulers buy here).

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Jim Reighty

1:41 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

If he can beat it, why doesn't he? Would that include trash, recycling, yard waste and bulky pickup (like Palmer Township just got)? Their price is $280/yr for all that. If he can beat it, then beat it.
Most taxpayers want a good price and good service. Most get good service now, but the price is less than exceptional. I think the City would offer more service than what most people have now, and it would be cheaper. I hope it is just as good or better quality.

Tom Bennett

10:20 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

City council shouldn't even think about voting on this . A question such as this should be decided by the voters . To do otherwise should alert us all that the city government wouldn't like the result . Look elsewhere for revenue .

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Peter

2:49 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

"It's not our job to keep one particular group of small businesses in business," Dolan said.

So what is your job, then? Put them out of business?

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Tom Bennett

3:13 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

That's a very good question Peter !

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Lisa Bolash

4:48 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Yeah, that comment from Dolan was not well thought out on her part was it?

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logansteele

5:08 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

It would seem so. Such disregard for individuals and businesses gives us an idea of what concerns Council has. They want to pay their bills but don't care how or if others can.

Lisa Bolash

4:48 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

In my family we are very careful about what we actually throw in the garbage. We are heavey recyclers, we compost and use the garbage disposal. The only time we throw something in the garbage can is if it can not be disposed of in one of these three ways first. As a result we throw out one 30 gallon bag of trash every 3-4 weeks at a cost of $5. Which means we spend well under $100 a year on trash removal. I hardly think the city can do better than that.

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Peter

5:45 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I don't live in Bethlehem City anymore. We moved to the township 3 years ago. Yet, a single trash hauler for the city will have a domino effect for us here in the outskirts. Once the private contractors lose all their customers in Bethlehem proper, they'll have to raise rates to make up the difference, prompting the township to possibly seek a similar solution.Of course, if city government doesn't care how dumb this idea is within their own boundaries, why should they care how it affects everyone else?

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Dana Grubb

6:05 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Jim,
He does beat it. That's why he told me, and that's why I bothered to post it. Just spoke with another homeowner who pays $5/bag and only needs pick-up every 3rd or 4th week. That amounts to $65/year plus the $60 annual recycling fees. I'd say $125 beats $280, and of the well over 100 homeowners from all over the city that I've spoken with not one wants to give up their private haulers. They pretty much see it for what it is; a money making scheme to skim $500,000 off of the top and place it in the 2013 budget.

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Peter

6:32 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Is there a town hall meeting scheduled on this topic?

Dana Grubb

9:13 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

City Council will review the single hauler issue amongst other issues at its Tuesday, November 27 budget hearing, which begins at 6:00 PM. It will be held in Town hall. Be prepared for some hot air.

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Ruby Montana

5:30 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Send an email. I just did. To everyone on Council.

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Rudy Denhart

12:47 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

It is so funny! Prior to Dana pursuing his boxing career, He was employed by the city. He also was the biggest proponent of Contract hauling in the administration. How does one do a 180 on a subject?? If this administration would say there was no other way than private hauler, Dana would say" We need single haulers”. If the city says blue, Dana says Red! Might want to retire from the boxing, looks like you are a little punch drunk!

Patriot2

10:58 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Dolan's diatribe was a pathetic left wing liberal CO2 speech wherein her solution to everything is a one size fits all approach. The fallacy in the city single hauler system is the assumption that all people need the same services. Some people only need to put garbage out once every 2 weeks, some every 3 weeks as posted above. Some residents leave for the winter and don't need pickup at all while they are gone and the city system will likely not recognize the individual varying needs of the residents.

The worst thing is that Dolan and Reynolds don't want to hear from the citizens as they already know what's best for them.

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Ruby Montana

5:01 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

The worst is that she does not know the population of the city she works for (75,000).
And she seems to think they all will benefit. Tell THAT to the 6 year old next door to me!
HOMEOWNERS need to decide this system and the city needs to stand up and say they need cash.
Then increase the per capita tax. THIS property owner is tired of carrying all the weight.

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Peter

5:36 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

She knows there are 75,000 people in the city of Bethlehem. Her reference is to the 70,000 that 'would benefit'. The other 5,000 can go pound sand, apparently.

logansteele

5:03 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Letting the govt. manage our trash hauling is a horrible idea. They admit they have a shortfall now. Why in the world would we give them more money and responsibility to play with?

If recycling pick up is any indication of how trash hauling would work get that compost heap ready in your back yard because that is where you may have to go with it for the weeks there is miss pick up.

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Dana Grubb

3:04 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Funny, Rudy or whoever you are, you have no idea what you are talking about. When I was with the city I was a huge proponent of ZONED TRASH COLLECTION using the current system of independent haulers. I made sure that they were all included in our planning sessions as we worked to try to accomplish that. Unfortunately since I left, the independent haulers have not been part of any process. And, if you will remember, the administration did bring zoned collection before City Council several years ago and was not well prepared to respond to Council's questions. And, as a matter of fact I did get up at that Council meeting and endorse the zoned collection eforts. This had absolutely nothing to do with engaging a single hauler.

So, Rudy, before you promote your inaccurate commentary, you need to do a fact check on the issue.

As for my so-called "boxing career," that's a fair shot, but not germaine to the this issue at all.

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logansteele

7:22 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

No matter what the past holds, Dana, you are correct now. And for me that's all that really matters. Single hauling services as contracted by city govt. are not a good idea. Period. And property owning residents who will pay for whatever system we have need to be heard. We've been here before. We WANT our individual haulers. We want a choice.

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Chuck Hennet

9:22 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012

I hope that the person who duct taped signs to many of the telephone poles in the historic district about the upcoming city council meeting on the trash hauling issue is as diligent about removing the signs following the meeting.

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Ruby Montana

12:37 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

I might suggest you worry more about who will actually take those signs to the dump.
However, if I find myself downtown, and if I see a sign, I will remove it myself after Tuesday!

There. Problem solved. Privately.

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Chuck Hennet

1:19 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

I don't quite understand the tone of your comment. I'm not opposed to people posting flyers as a means to communicate. I'm just expressing the hope that the people who posted the flyers are responsible enough to remove them.

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